I'm not saying Rosenior is Chelsea material, but BBC Sports just published an article saying that he is still doing better than Maresca this season in PL. That tells you how bad Chelsea's managers are, and the players like Enzo are not showing loyalty to the new coach. Yes the coach is not good, but the players are even worse in terms of mentality.
Great article. I have to say this as a lifelong fan (first game with my Dad as a seven year old, 2nd January 1978, 2-2 home draw with WBA) I've never felt so detached from caring about results and fans of my generation lived through relegations in the seventies and eighties. I love Chelsea but I don't care if we win or lose anymore, I just want this ownership gone, and if it takes losing to speed that up then I'm prepared to accept that in the interest of the greater good. For me seeing Rosenior on the sideline and everyone above him is like an insult to everything that has gone before in our 121 year history.
I'd look at Oliver Glasner as well. Both him and Iraola are great candidates. Would rather have a manager with experience in the Premier League who has proven they can deliver above expectations.
Having said that Alonso and Cesc would be great, though I don't think they would come.
Following recent losses at home to Sunderland and Brighton. In November we beat Burnley Wolves and Spurs. All relegation fodder.
In December it all started going tits up. We lost to relegation threatened Leeds. We drew with abysmal Bournemouth, who couldn’t buy a point at the time. We lost to Atalanta despite being 1-0 up. Fair enough we beat a struggling Everton 2-0. We beat Cardiff in the League cup (eventually) 3-1. We drew with an out of form Newcastle. We lost at home to Villa. We drew at home, again to a woefully out of form Bournemouth.
After Maresca left we drew away with an out of form City thanks to an injury time equaliser and lost to Fulham.
In Maresca’s final 9 games, we scored 9 goals and conceded 9. We picked up 7 points from 21 despite playing 6 eminently winnable league matches. That’s a 33% points percentage against mainly poor opposition. That’s relegation form.
McFarlane took over for two games and when Rosenior took over we had taken 7 points from a possible 27 with a minus goal difference, despite all but 2 of those 9 matches looking like wins on paper beforehand. That was relegation form, if I remember correctly we were two points off 13th place at the time.
Following the four straight wins when Rosenior took over, (by your reasoning) that made him one of our greatest manager ever, statistics in a small database are so unreliable and misleading.
Let’s look at the bad run under Rosenior, we lost in the last-minute chasing the game against Champions elect Arsenal. A good result away to Wolves 3-1. Drew 2-2 with Leeds at home (19 shots to Leeds 4) two up and horrendous defending cost us the points. Beat Hull 4-0. Winning against Burnley, drew thanks to a 93rd minute equaliser, Fofana red card, against poor defending from the corner. Very creditable performance against Arsenal with 10 men again. (again poor defending from two corners). Villa 4-1 the best performance of the season. Wrexham 4-2. We then matched the best team in Europe for 70 minutes until a stupid goalkeeping error. James mistake for the 4th and the whole defence for the 5th. We lost 1-0 to Newcastle, poor performance, despite injuries. PSG return ,we had to go for it, had twice as many shots as PSG and almost twice as many on target. Over the two legs PSG were ruthlessly clinical, we were wasteful. An in- form Everton but the 2nd half was a horror show and a Sanchez night to forget. Port Vale 7-0
City were in blistering form having beaten Arsenal and mullered Liverpool 4-0. We had the better of the 1st half, the 2nd half was a horror show. It has been an horrendous run of fixtures that would have given any manager nightmares.
I was a statistician for a betting magazine for almost 15 years. Any statistician will tell you that a small database renders statistics meaningless, so the stats you pointed out are pretty meaningless, especially as Potter had a far superior and experienced team, who were reigning European Champions. Liam has been in charge 11 games , if he wins his next three his win percentage shoots up because the data base is so small. Does that suddenly make him one of our best managers? Maresca picked up one less point in his final 11 games than Rosenior has against far easier opposition. Maresca faced only three top half of the table teams and only Arsenal were in the top 8 and he picked up 2 points from 9 from those games. Maresca left us in the shit and playing crap.
Those Rosenior stats also totally disregard the difficulty of the opposition and injuries, we haven’t had a defence for the past month. It ignores the CWC effect. Is it any coincidence that our three players who have played the most in recent years, Cuca, Enzo and Moi are all grossly underperforming at the moment. Or the fact that we are holding our own in the first half of matches but fading badly in the 2nd half and the last 20 minutes in particular. PSG were brilliant against Liverpool in the first half last night, in the 2nd they couldn’t get near them, their legs had gone.
Centre half has been a massive problem. Josh is a great prospect, (as a midfeilder IMO) but he makes a big mistake in every game leading to a big chance. Fofana has been awful, his legs have gone. Tosin is a disaster waiting to happen. Reece is injured again, Cuca has been out injured, Colville is out injured. Trev is out injured. What is he supposed to do? Stevo has been out injured. Cole has never recovered from his injury. Yet you are blaming the manager.
I don’t care who had been our manager in the past month the results would have been the same. Rosenior is not the one missing the open goals, Rosenior is not the one continually giving the balls away in dangerous areas, Rosenior is not the one between the sticks letting in soft goals. Rosenior is not the one picking up the siily red cards. So many of these bad habits came from Maresca and he needs to be given time to iron them out. Rosenior took over a sinking ship and was dealt a truly dreadful hand, he’s a manager and not a miracle worker. Forget Iraola ( who the Cherries fans wanted out earlier this season), not even Pep, Fergie or Jose could have saved us in the past month given the fixture list, the injuries and the circumstances Liam has been working under.
i feel for rosenior, he was actually doing a decent job up until psg to be fair to him. I know people will point to the leeds and burnley games but for me they were nothing to do with tactics, leeds particularly i thought the first half was the best we looked against a low block back 5 all season and individual errors cost us! up until that point they only team to beat us under him was arsenal, 3 times, 2 of them performance wise i didnt think we deserved to lose! his time here seems to have completely flipped on that jorgensen mistake! Since then hes seemed like a rabbit in the head lights! Im pretty sure judging on his first weeks here and his previous roles that hes a fine coach and a decent guy! but this is what experience does, how is he supposed to know how to navigate this situation at a big club with a couple of years coaching experience at hull and strasbourg! None of this is his fault anymore than it is the players fault for not being good enough, hes just someone who took an opportunity that was very hard to turn down! this is all on eghbali and the sporting directors me! id absolutely love for him to turn it around and succeed here, especially after all the ridiculous personal criticism he has received in the media but the reality is i cant think of any examples where things get this negative and a coach pulls it back so as harsh as it sounds replacing him now might be the best thing!
If the players arent good enough neither will the manager be
Short term we've lost to a PSG side who breezed past current PL champions Liverpool and a Man City side stacked with talent and a generational manager
Better finishing vs Newcastle sees at least a point, an open miss from Palmer cost 2 points vs Leeds and a red card against Burnley contributed to another 2 points dropped. Those alone close the gap to 5th, with a few instances of dropped points from winning positions earlier in the season we could be 4th/3rd
But we're not.
I actually think next season is the crunch point for the ownership model. Caicedo Palmer Gusto etc will be in their 4th season, others will be in their 2nd / 3rd seasons, so you would hope performances and talent will mature as one.
As for the here and now personally still all to play for, potentially Villa do us a favour and 6th still gets CL football.
I do rate Enzo. The club has gotten rid of a Tuchel and Enzo. Tuchel won the champions league with us and been to the final with psg. Enzo won the conference league, the championship and the club World Cup in a very short first team coaching career. Maresca may not be everyone’s cup of tea and not all the players loved him but he knew what he was doing and the players did what he said.
Rosenior is a nice guy no doubt but has not achieved enough to be Chelsea manager. Probably his assistant team is junior burger as well.
Not entirely his fault. Sacking Enzo was bound to cause uncertainty.
It’s got to the point where we shouldn’t have a manager/coach at all. That incompetent triumvirate should pick and motivate the team and see how they get on given they think they are always right. Our last two managers have walked out so clearly no top candidate will entertain coming to Chelsea with the ownership we have. Lampard said as much and now Coventry is a more desirable destination.
So, my apologies if you have been asked this before, 1. Why do the owners seem to have a vision that Brighton was the club to cherry pick players and Managers? 2. Why do they stick with the Sporting Directors when I can’t see anything that they have achieved?
I didn’t rate Enzo but he is a better manager then Liam. Liam was happy at Strasbourg managing a team in a very uncompetitive league without having to deal with any great expectations but now he is having to cope with the same mess of club management that drove Enzo mad. With so much interference from above no top managers as opposed to coaches will want to touch Chelsea. Club structure alongside refinancing the debts will kill the team first, then the club. The board issues need to be resolved first, then the finances, then the SD’s & then the manager for long term success.
Supporters shouldn’t be happy with the idea of a revolving door for managers at a club it’s bad on so many levels. Isn’t productive and in the long term doesn’t get the results us supporters yearn for.
Furthermore it’s reactionary often without thought.
Arteta at Arsenal is sited as an example in recent times 1st 2 years wasn’t fantastic 3rd year challenged 4th leading the pack even if we hope they slip up it does show what taking a view on early performances can do if you add time into the equation.
In the end you end up with crap managers as the big boys won’t touch you and that’s where we are now.
Let’s stop kidding ourselves that the likes of Xabi Alonso is going to come be our manager because why would he.
First and foremost supporters were screaming for Maresca’s head and were given it by the SD’s etc.
As I said in the article, I hate the revolving door of managers. I've never turned on a manager this quickly nor seen the fanbase do so. I do believe its a huge risk continuing with Liam next season, and not one worth taking, personally. But respect your view..
I've been clear about my views on the SDs, they aren't doing a good job and we need change there. Changing the manager alone won't solve all the problems, that's for sure.
We aren't in the business of hiring top managers anymore
Well said, my mate.
Iraola is a top coach and its an absolute no brainer for is to get him. You know how big a fan I am of him.
I'm not saying Rosenior is Chelsea material, but BBC Sports just published an article saying that he is still doing better than Maresca this season in PL. That tells you how bad Chelsea's managers are, and the players like Enzo are not showing loyalty to the new coach. Yes the coach is not good, but the players are even worse in terms of mentality.
Great article. I have to say this as a lifelong fan (first game with my Dad as a seven year old, 2nd January 1978, 2-2 home draw with WBA) I've never felt so detached from caring about results and fans of my generation lived through relegations in the seventies and eighties. I love Chelsea but I don't care if we win or lose anymore, I just want this ownership gone, and if it takes losing to speed that up then I'm prepared to accept that in the interest of the greater good. For me seeing Rosenior on the sideline and everyone above him is like an insult to everything that has gone before in our 121 year history.
I'd look at Oliver Glasner as well. Both him and Iraola are great candidates. Would rather have a manager with experience in the Premier League who has proven they can deliver above expectations.
Having said that Alonso and Cesc would be great, though I don't think they would come.
I'd love to have either of them. But they won't come. Why would they sign up for this mess.
Let’s look at what Rosenior inherited.
Following recent losses at home to Sunderland and Brighton. In November we beat Burnley Wolves and Spurs. All relegation fodder.
In December it all started going tits up. We lost to relegation threatened Leeds. We drew with abysmal Bournemouth, who couldn’t buy a point at the time. We lost to Atalanta despite being 1-0 up. Fair enough we beat a struggling Everton 2-0. We beat Cardiff in the League cup (eventually) 3-1. We drew with an out of form Newcastle. We lost at home to Villa. We drew at home, again to a woefully out of form Bournemouth.
After Maresca left we drew away with an out of form City thanks to an injury time equaliser and lost to Fulham.
In Maresca’s final 9 games, we scored 9 goals and conceded 9. We picked up 7 points from 21 despite playing 6 eminently winnable league matches. That’s a 33% points percentage against mainly poor opposition. That’s relegation form.
McFarlane took over for two games and when Rosenior took over we had taken 7 points from a possible 27 with a minus goal difference, despite all but 2 of those 9 matches looking like wins on paper beforehand. That was relegation form, if I remember correctly we were two points off 13th place at the time.
Following the four straight wins when Rosenior took over, (by your reasoning) that made him one of our greatest manager ever, statistics in a small database are so unreliable and misleading.
Let’s look at the bad run under Rosenior, we lost in the last-minute chasing the game against Champions elect Arsenal. A good result away to Wolves 3-1. Drew 2-2 with Leeds at home (19 shots to Leeds 4) two up and horrendous defending cost us the points. Beat Hull 4-0. Winning against Burnley, drew thanks to a 93rd minute equaliser, Fofana red card, against poor defending from the corner. Very creditable performance against Arsenal with 10 men again. (again poor defending from two corners). Villa 4-1 the best performance of the season. Wrexham 4-2. We then matched the best team in Europe for 70 minutes until a stupid goalkeeping error. James mistake for the 4th and the whole defence for the 5th. We lost 1-0 to Newcastle, poor performance, despite injuries. PSG return ,we had to go for it, had twice as many shots as PSG and almost twice as many on target. Over the two legs PSG were ruthlessly clinical, we were wasteful. An in- form Everton but the 2nd half was a horror show and a Sanchez night to forget. Port Vale 7-0
City were in blistering form having beaten Arsenal and mullered Liverpool 4-0. We had the better of the 1st half, the 2nd half was a horror show. It has been an horrendous run of fixtures that would have given any manager nightmares.
I was a statistician for a betting magazine for almost 15 years. Any statistician will tell you that a small database renders statistics meaningless, so the stats you pointed out are pretty meaningless, especially as Potter had a far superior and experienced team, who were reigning European Champions. Liam has been in charge 11 games , if he wins his next three his win percentage shoots up because the data base is so small. Does that suddenly make him one of our best managers? Maresca picked up one less point in his final 11 games than Rosenior has against far easier opposition. Maresca faced only three top half of the table teams and only Arsenal were in the top 8 and he picked up 2 points from 9 from those games. Maresca left us in the shit and playing crap.
Those Rosenior stats also totally disregard the difficulty of the opposition and injuries, we haven’t had a defence for the past month. It ignores the CWC effect. Is it any coincidence that our three players who have played the most in recent years, Cuca, Enzo and Moi are all grossly underperforming at the moment. Or the fact that we are holding our own in the first half of matches but fading badly in the 2nd half and the last 20 minutes in particular. PSG were brilliant against Liverpool in the first half last night, in the 2nd they couldn’t get near them, their legs had gone.
Centre half has been a massive problem. Josh is a great prospect, (as a midfeilder IMO) but he makes a big mistake in every game leading to a big chance. Fofana has been awful, his legs have gone. Tosin is a disaster waiting to happen. Reece is injured again, Cuca has been out injured, Colville is out injured. Trev is out injured. What is he supposed to do? Stevo has been out injured. Cole has never recovered from his injury. Yet you are blaming the manager.
I don’t care who had been our manager in the past month the results would have been the same. Rosenior is not the one missing the open goals, Rosenior is not the one continually giving the balls away in dangerous areas, Rosenior is not the one between the sticks letting in soft goals. Rosenior is not the one picking up the siily red cards. So many of these bad habits came from Maresca and he needs to be given time to iron them out. Rosenior took over a sinking ship and was dealt a truly dreadful hand, he’s a manager and not a miracle worker. Forget Iraola ( who the Cherries fans wanted out earlier this season), not even Pep, Fergie or Jose could have saved us in the past month given the fixture list, the injuries and the circumstances Liam has been working under.
Rosenior's start had warning signs...even against Brentford there was alarming vulnerability.
This continue against Palace where we gave up big chances against 10 men and Wolves where we were gifted 2 pens to ease any difficulties.
The real tests since have been failures in various aspects.
United look poor and have their best defenders out.
A real opportunity to show some progress, having had more time on the training pitch.
Not sure he can afford to lose any of the next 3 if he wants to get the fans back.
Should never have got the job
Ill equipped to manage a club like Chelsea.
Coached at Hull, Derby & Strasborg and people say he did a good job.
Just look at those clubs!
Do me a favour!!
Terrible tactics, not got an idea of what to do in the Prem.
Been out thought, by virtually every coach he's come up against.
The players are not having him
THAT is clear for all to see.
Its a big mess.
Yes the owners have caused this, by appointing him.
But, We must get rid of him asap, as we are regressing badly under his tenure.
i feel for rosenior, he was actually doing a decent job up until psg to be fair to him. I know people will point to the leeds and burnley games but for me they were nothing to do with tactics, leeds particularly i thought the first half was the best we looked against a low block back 5 all season and individual errors cost us! up until that point they only team to beat us under him was arsenal, 3 times, 2 of them performance wise i didnt think we deserved to lose! his time here seems to have completely flipped on that jorgensen mistake! Since then hes seemed like a rabbit in the head lights! Im pretty sure judging on his first weeks here and his previous roles that hes a fine coach and a decent guy! but this is what experience does, how is he supposed to know how to navigate this situation at a big club with a couple of years coaching experience at hull and strasbourg! None of this is his fault anymore than it is the players fault for not being good enough, hes just someone who took an opportunity that was very hard to turn down! this is all on eghbali and the sporting directors me! id absolutely love for him to turn it around and succeed here, especially after all the ridiculous personal criticism he has received in the media but the reality is i cant think of any examples where things get this negative and a coach pulls it back so as harsh as it sounds replacing him now might be the best thing!
I agree 100% but he's becoming a fall guy for the lack of progress this season.
If the players arent good enough neither will the manager be
Short term we've lost to a PSG side who breezed past current PL champions Liverpool and a Man City side stacked with talent and a generational manager
Better finishing vs Newcastle sees at least a point, an open miss from Palmer cost 2 points vs Leeds and a red card against Burnley contributed to another 2 points dropped. Those alone close the gap to 5th, with a few instances of dropped points from winning positions earlier in the season we could be 4th/3rd
But we're not.
I actually think next season is the crunch point for the ownership model. Caicedo Palmer Gusto etc will be in their 4th season, others will be in their 2nd / 3rd seasons, so you would hope performances and talent will mature as one.
As for the here and now personally still all to play for, potentially Villa do us a favour and 6th still gets CL football.
I do rate Enzo. The club has gotten rid of a Tuchel and Enzo. Tuchel won the champions league with us and been to the final with psg. Enzo won the conference league, the championship and the club World Cup in a very short first team coaching career. Maresca may not be everyone’s cup of tea and not all the players loved him but he knew what he was doing and the players did what he said.
Rosenior is a nice guy no doubt but has not achieved enough to be Chelsea manager. Probably his assistant team is junior burger as well.
Not entirely his fault. Sacking Enzo was bound to cause uncertainty.
Crappy end to a season that promised a lot.
It’s got to the point where we shouldn’t have a manager/coach at all. That incompetent triumvirate should pick and motivate the team and see how they get on given they think they are always right. Our last two managers have walked out so clearly no top candidate will entertain coming to Chelsea with the ownership we have. Lampard said as much and now Coventry is a more desirable destination.
So, my apologies if you have been asked this before, 1. Why do the owners seem to have a vision that Brighton was the club to cherry pick players and Managers? 2. Why do they stick with the Sporting Directors when I can’t see anything that they have achieved?
I didn’t rate Enzo but he is a better manager then Liam. Liam was happy at Strasbourg managing a team in a very uncompetitive league without having to deal with any great expectations but now he is having to cope with the same mess of club management that drove Enzo mad. With so much interference from above no top managers as opposed to coaches will want to touch Chelsea. Club structure alongside refinancing the debts will kill the team first, then the club. The board issues need to be resolved first, then the finances, then the SD’s & then the manager for long term success.
Everything about the set up at Chelsea is so inadequate now, top to bottom change will be needed for sure.
That’s my eye test not an over reaction just a fact check.
Culling scouts now as they use there eyes, no fucking data will produce a premiership player of note,
Supporters shouldn’t be happy with the idea of a revolving door for managers at a club it’s bad on so many levels. Isn’t productive and in the long term doesn’t get the results us supporters yearn for.
Furthermore it’s reactionary often without thought.
Arteta at Arsenal is sited as an example in recent times 1st 2 years wasn’t fantastic 3rd year challenged 4th leading the pack even if we hope they slip up it does show what taking a view on early performances can do if you add time into the equation.
In the end you end up with crap managers as the big boys won’t touch you and that’s where we are now.
Let’s stop kidding ourselves that the likes of Xabi Alonso is going to come be our manager because why would he.
First and foremost supporters were screaming for Maresca’s head and were given it by the SD’s etc.
That worked well didn’t it?
As I said in the article, I hate the revolving door of managers. I've never turned on a manager this quickly nor seen the fanbase do so. I do believe its a huge risk continuing with Liam next season, and not one worth taking, personally. But respect your view..
The one line I left out was we need to get to get to the end of the season and it requires more change than just the manager.
However manager risk to one side when the management of the club don’t back a manager up the team often don’t either.
I know who I blame and it’s the SD’s and Egbhali.
I've been clear about my views on the SDs, they aren't doing a good job and we need change there. Changing the manager alone won't solve all the problems, that's for sure.