The Score. Thank you very much for your time and effort plus insight/vision. I understand where you’re coming from but don’t you think we’re being premature and to some extent jumping on the bandwagon of the negative comments that many wish to make about us. Let’s be honest, we’ve never been the media’s favourite team, and we just make it easy at the moment for them to be critical.
You include in your review “ Awful and lethargic in one game, brilliant and energetic in the next”. Personally that’s exactly what I expected this season, but I have been pleasantly surprised that there have been some plus points. I do agree that a single point of contacts/Director of football will make a huge difference, but I’m not willing to dig out the two sporting directors who are only doing what they’ve been asked to do at this current stage of our evolution. Rome was not built in a day and we have to accept that we may need to take one or two steps back to move forward. I have every confidence that we will move forward a lot quicker than Liverpool did before the resurgence and how much time have Man United been in the doldrums. Arsenal already just coming out the Aresen Wenger era and it’s taking them a long time and let’s be honest Spurs have never been a genuine Top 4 except when one of us has failed to perform in a particular season.
I fully appreciate that everything still needs tinkering with to get the complete right instructor in place. So much has changed in such a short period of time they were bound to need some retirement along the way. As a supporter of nearing 60 years I think, perhaps illogically, we are not as far away from being a very exciting team that will compete at the highest level. I hear delusional being shouted back at me!!!!
Thanks for your comment. I expected inconsistency too, we could still have a positive season. Ultimately I want Chelsea to win and play well consistently. If that’s under Poch, so be it.
Craige personally I think when looking and reading the article the “Score” got more right than he got wrong it was measured and generally not as emotional as some articles I’ve seen which lose their punch because of the lack of balance.
On the subject of the Sporting Directors to which I include Baghdad Egbali he nailed it. There is now a clear disconnect between them and the manager who they hung out to dry in January and they must be rotated away all 3 of them from recruitment responsibility.
The reason is simple they have set up the manager to fail knowing they can hide in the background and claim they spent the money but the manager wasn’t good enough.
I’m sorry but the manager is good enough given but the recruitment dept is one big fail.
To finish Mourinho let’s remember the good times he will only be set up to fail if he returns. Tuchel the same has already fallen out with the “ project “ once and that doesn’t bode well for a return either.
Andy. I agree with your comments completely, and particularly that the article is largely correct. I like you have a believe the manager deserves the chance to succeed and believe he can with the right support around him. I have no idea, much like most of us. I suspect, who the problem is in the background, but as you clearly state as does the score, there is somebody/something wrong that needs correcting.
Whether top four was an actual club target or not, from where we ended 22/23 season that was never going to happen. Our current status as a mid table club is an improvement on that, so Poch has delivered an improved side. I think expecting him to deliver consistent results is to set him up to fail. The side vs Villa was essentially an U23 side - and young sides tend to be inconsistent. It makes the job Lampard did to secure CL qualification in the sanction season all the more remarkable and tells you how good those young players were. I think there is next to no chance Poch (or anyone) can get consistent performances out of this squad. Despite that I think he is set fair to earn his second season in charge - given that he might end up choosing to leave of his own volition.
I respectfully disagree on the squad, and feel its too soon to give up on a young squad after 6 months. We have a lot of young talent here who don’t have much first team experience in terms of minutes and will become more consistent with time. Fans need to be patient. They have reached a cup final and just beat a full strength Villa team away.
You’re right that Poch could well earn his second season. I do think he might walk away though.
Hey Score, I know you do bud! But, to be clear, I'm not giving up on the squad entirely. I'm saying that we're not that good (= mid table) *now*. We do have some young talent but we have an over abundance of it, and that means two key things. Firstly, it brings an inconsistency with it. It is much harder to be sure that the level we show in game A isn't going to be completely different in game B. Must drive Poch mad! Secondly, not all of the investment will pay off - so we're currently giving minutes to players who aren't *and won't be* good enough for us. The real difficultly is that - given the level of some of the investment - we have to indulge in a bit of sunk cost fallacy just in case something magically happens. It won't, but I understand it - but these selections will make us a wee bit worse than we need to be for a while.
100% support these sentiments Pimlico Tiger. The position might not be perfect but overall we are seeing improvements on last season. We are a better attacking force, scoring more goals and look more likely to breakdown teams. We have an all progressing further in both cup competitions and there is some flare in the team. It needs patience (oh I’m so bored of saying that) and an understanding that this is a totally different project to what we have seen over the last 20 years. Some of our supporters should’ve seen us in the 80s and 90s and they would think this is fantastic. Thanks for your comments.
As I started watching the team in the mid 60s into the early 70s, I see it with rose tinted spectacles and only seen nativity after the 1970s, FA Cup team started getting broken up 😂😂😂 geeze I’m getting very old
Leaving aside that backing him with the players he wanted was an absolutel disaster, leaving aside the fact that he bombed Tammy and Lukaku out to persist with Havertz, we were clearly hugely regressing under him and he'd shown no signs of being able to fix it.
I want to be clear the idea of Tuchel is not something I would personally be in favour of. More that if they want a change and cannot find someone, he may become an option.
The Score. Thank you very much for your time and effort plus insight/vision. I understand where you’re coming from but don’t you think we’re being premature and to some extent jumping on the bandwagon of the negative comments that many wish to make about us. Let’s be honest, we’ve never been the media’s favourite team, and we just make it easy at the moment for them to be critical.
You include in your review “ Awful and lethargic in one game, brilliant and energetic in the next”. Personally that’s exactly what I expected this season, but I have been pleasantly surprised that there have been some plus points. I do agree that a single point of contacts/Director of football will make a huge difference, but I’m not willing to dig out the two sporting directors who are only doing what they’ve been asked to do at this current stage of our evolution. Rome was not built in a day and we have to accept that we may need to take one or two steps back to move forward. I have every confidence that we will move forward a lot quicker than Liverpool did before the resurgence and how much time have Man United been in the doldrums. Arsenal already just coming out the Aresen Wenger era and it’s taking them a long time and let’s be honest Spurs have never been a genuine Top 4 except when one of us has failed to perform in a particular season.
I fully appreciate that everything still needs tinkering with to get the complete right instructor in place. So much has changed in such a short period of time they were bound to need some retirement along the way. As a supporter of nearing 60 years I think, perhaps illogically, we are not as far away from being a very exciting team that will compete at the highest level. I hear delusional being shouted back at me!!!!
Thanks for your comment. I expected inconsistency too, we could still have a positive season. Ultimately I want Chelsea to win and play well consistently. If that’s under Poch, so be it.
Cheers. Upwards on onwards 😂
Craige personally I think when looking and reading the article the “Score” got more right than he got wrong it was measured and generally not as emotional as some articles I’ve seen which lose their punch because of the lack of balance.
On the subject of the Sporting Directors to which I include Baghdad Egbali he nailed it. There is now a clear disconnect between them and the manager who they hung out to dry in January and they must be rotated away all 3 of them from recruitment responsibility.
The reason is simple they have set up the manager to fail knowing they can hide in the background and claim they spent the money but the manager wasn’t good enough.
I’m sorry but the manager is good enough given but the recruitment dept is one big fail.
To finish Mourinho let’s remember the good times he will only be set up to fail if he returns. Tuchel the same has already fallen out with the “ project “ once and that doesn’t bode well for a return either.
Andy. I agree with your comments completely, and particularly that the article is largely correct. I like you have a believe the manager deserves the chance to succeed and believe he can with the right support around him. I have no idea, much like most of us. I suspect, who the problem is in the background, but as you clearly state as does the score, there is somebody/something wrong that needs correcting.
Whether top four was an actual club target or not, from where we ended 22/23 season that was never going to happen. Our current status as a mid table club is an improvement on that, so Poch has delivered an improved side. I think expecting him to deliver consistent results is to set him up to fail. The side vs Villa was essentially an U23 side - and young sides tend to be inconsistent. It makes the job Lampard did to secure CL qualification in the sanction season all the more remarkable and tells you how good those young players were. I think there is next to no chance Poch (or anyone) can get consistent performances out of this squad. Despite that I think he is set fair to earn his second season in charge - given that he might end up choosing to leave of his own volition.
I respectfully disagree on the squad, and feel its too soon to give up on a young squad after 6 months. We have a lot of young talent here who don’t have much first team experience in terms of minutes and will become more consistent with time. Fans need to be patient. They have reached a cup final and just beat a full strength Villa team away.
You’re right that Poch could well earn his second season. I do think he might walk away though.
Hey Score, I know you do bud! But, to be clear, I'm not giving up on the squad entirely. I'm saying that we're not that good (= mid table) *now*. We do have some young talent but we have an over abundance of it, and that means two key things. Firstly, it brings an inconsistency with it. It is much harder to be sure that the level we show in game A isn't going to be completely different in game B. Must drive Poch mad! Secondly, not all of the investment will pay off - so we're currently giving minutes to players who aren't *and won't be* good enough for us. The real difficultly is that - given the level of some of the investment - we have to indulge in a bit of sunk cost fallacy just in case something magically happens. It won't, but I understand it - but these selections will make us a wee bit worse than we need to be for a while.
100% support these sentiments Pimlico Tiger. The position might not be perfect but overall we are seeing improvements on last season. We are a better attacking force, scoring more goals and look more likely to breakdown teams. We have an all progressing further in both cup competitions and there is some flare in the team. It needs patience (oh I’m so bored of saying that) and an understanding that this is a totally different project to what we have seen over the last 20 years. Some of our supporters should’ve seen us in the 80s and 90s and they would think this is fantastic. Thanks for your comments.
Craige or earlier I can still remember the 60s going onto the 70s teams but will in 30 years time remember anyone remember the team from 22/23
As I started watching the team in the mid 60s into the early 70s, I see it with rose tinted spectacles and only seen nativity after the 1970s, FA Cup team started getting broken up 😂😂😂 geeze I’m getting very old
I agree with this take.
Tuchel? Is this serious?
Leaving aside that backing him with the players he wanted was an absolutel disaster, leaving aside the fact that he bombed Tammy and Lukaku out to persist with Havertz, we were clearly hugely regressing under him and he'd shown no signs of being able to fix it.
I want to be clear the idea of Tuchel is not something I would personally be in favour of. More that if they want a change and cannot find someone, he may become an option.
I don’t think there is any scenario under which Tuchel comes back.